有哪些球员本不该进入名人堂的（17岁定下进名人堂的小目标）
有哪些球员本不该进入名人堂的（17岁定下进名人堂的小目标）[–]SpursTerminatorns19 303 points 15 hours ago黄蜂球迷：“球迷”第一，我们都是历史最佳[–]HornetsSwag_Turtle 211 points 16 hours ago“The Fans”We’re all the Goats
美媒《The Athletic》评选出了NBA历史上的75大球星，并将他们按顺序排列，每周公布一位球员。在全明星周末来临之际，他们公布了排名历史第二的球员：勒布朗-詹姆斯。目前为止，只有第一名人选暂未公布。
[–]Knickskillajaxx 717 points 16 hours ago
Gee i wonder who's number 1
尼克斯球迷：天哪，谁会排名第一呢？太想知道了
[–]HornetsSwag_Turtle 211 points 16 hours ago
“The Fans”
We’re all the Goats
黄蜂球迷：“球迷”第一，我们都是历史最佳
[–]SpursTerminatorns19 303 points 15 hours ago
My take on the GOAT debate is this:
Jordan is the greatest player in history combining talent and accomplishments. LeBron’s 2nd.
But in terms of pure talent LeBron is the best basketball player ever. If I needed someone who could do nearly anything on the court at an absurdly-high level my first choice would be Bron.
马刺球迷：关于历史最佳球员的争论，我的观点是：综合天赋和成就来看，乔丹是历史上最伟大的球员，詹姆斯屈居次席。但纯以天赋而论，詹姆斯就是历史最佳的篮球运动员。如果我需要一个可以在场上干几乎所有事情，而且每件事情都能干出超级高水平的球员，我的第一选择就是詹姆斯。
[–]Celticssandote 161 points 16 hours ago
I’ve come to find that all diminishing of Lebron comes from the “goat” argument. Some people think he’ll never surpass MJ while others think he already has. Those fans will forever be at odds.
凯尔特人球迷：我发现对詹姆斯的所有贬损都源于“历史最佳”之争。有些人认为他永远无法超越乔丹，有些人认为他已经超越了。球迷间的争论永无止境。
[–]NeedForSleepx30 259 points 17 hours ago
Don't want to see no hate
Appreciate greatness.
球迷：不想看到任何仇恨。欣赏伟大
[–]-Jfree- 872 points 17 hours ago*
lots of people arguing and hating nowadays while i am here sitting knowing that i get to watch bron brady messi ronaldo federer nadal djokovic serena phelps bolt and many others that are considered goats / mount rushmore candidates in their craft. and those are only the sports i follow. plenty of others i dont know or forgot to mention. we are blessed with historically great talent and I know humans are getting better and better but i am not sure if I am going to see another generation at this level in my lifetime.
EDIT: i am learning a lot of new names of great athletes and yeah i forgot Tiger and Hamilton who i both know of course.
球迷：现如今，很多人都在相互争执，彼此憎恶，而我只是默默地坐着欣赏，欣赏詹姆斯、布雷迪、梅西和C罗、费德勒、纳达尔、德约科维奇、小威廉姆斯、菲尔普斯、博尔特以及诸多其他在其各自领域被称为历史最佳/总统山候选人的运动员们。上面只是列出了我关注的一些运动领域，还有很多我不知道或者一时忘了提及的运动员。我们何其有幸，能够欣赏到这些历史上最伟大的天赋，我知道人类会变得越来越好，但我不确定我有生之年是否还能看到另一代人达到此种水准。
PS：感谢网友让我知道了很多之前没听过的伟大运动员的名字，对了，我忘了提泰格伍兹和汉密尔顿，这俩人我肯定知道。
[–]TimberwolvesFraankk 285 points 17 hours ago
Especially football (soccer) and tennis. We got to witness the golden generation of these sports it will be a while before we see so much talent in such a short period of time.
森林狼球迷：尤其是足球和网球。我们见证了这些运动的黄金一代，下一次想在如此短的周期内看到如此众多的天才，还不知要等到何年何月。
[–]Heatgamesrgreat 250 points 12 hours ago
My aunt came up to me when i was young and said "You hear about Lebron? He's in high school but they say he might be better than Jordan."
Unbelievable that he lived up to the hype
热火球迷：记得我小的时候，阿姨就问过我：“你听说过勒布朗-詹姆斯吗？他现在还是个高中生，但都说他将来可能超越乔丹”。他没有被捧杀，没有辜负期待，实在难以置信
[–]NBAiSleepUpsideDown 8973 points 14 hours ago
To me the greatest thing about him is he lived up to all the hype
Genuine miracle dudes not fucked in the head having that pressure since 15/16 years old
球迷：对我而言，詹姆斯的最伟大之处在于面对铺天盖地的宣传炒作，他依然能够不负众望。詹姆斯十五六岁起就开始承受这种压力，没有伤仲永没有人癫狂，实乃奇迹！
[–]KnicksHokageEzio 589 points 15 hours ago
Lived up to the hype and he's never gotten into serious trouble for anything. You'd think after being famous since 16 that it'd go to his head and he'd do something really stupid legally but its never happened.
尼克斯球迷：外界的炒作天花乱坠，可他从没有真正惹出过什么严重的乱子。不少人觉得他16岁就已家喻户晓，做人肯定不可一世，做出些违法乱纪的蠢事也在所难免，可实际上，这些从未发生
[–]LakersPnG_e 2858 points 15 hours ago*
Dude was drafted when I was in 8th grade... here I am in my 30s and he's still one of the best players in the NBA.
How good you are at 37 says a hell of a lot about the heights of your peak.
湖人球迷：詹姆斯选秀时，我上八年级……现在我30多了，他依然是NBA最优秀的球员之一。你在37岁时的优秀程度能彰显出你人生巅峰的高度，胜过千言万语
[–]TechSergeant_Chen 1050 points 14 hours ago
The man has played 51 500 regular season minutes and is still playing great basketball. He's gone from hero to villain back to hero back to villain and he isn't finished yet.
球迷：这家伙常规赛出场时间已经达到51 500分钟了，现在还能打得风生水起。他从英雄变成反派，再从反派变回英雄，又再次变成反派，而且故事还没完，仍在延续
[–]choff22 468 points 14 hours ago
Looking at Cleveland as the 5th seed in the East right now… yeah he will definitely be retiring as the hero.
球迷：骑士现在东部排名第五……是的，他肯定能够以英雄的身份退役。
[–]ilovepotatorolls[S] 3639 points 14 hours ago
This is where the expectations for LeBron were in high school. Crazy that he actually exceeded them
球迷：詹姆斯高中时，人们对他的期待就是“如果你将来不能在第一轮投票中就被直接入选名人堂，你就是失败者”。而他的实际成就却还不止于此，太疯狂了
[–]cnuggs94 79 points 14 hours ago
Thats the equivalent of looking at a draft board on NBA 2k and saw a dude with:
Ceiling: GOAT
Floor: 1st Ballot HOF
球迷：就像打开NBA 2K，看了一眼选秀榜单，发现有一个家伙的介绍是——上限：历史最佳；下限：名人堂第一候选人
[–]NBAiSleepUpsideDown 3063 points 14 hours ago
bruh my 17 year old ass was nervous doing a test
this mf had 1st ballot HOF as his benchmark and dude blew it away
球迷：哥们，我17岁的时候，担心的是怎么应付考试，这家伙在那时已经定下了成为“名人堂第一候选人”的小目标，不仅实现了，还特么走得更远
[–]LakersPervySageCS 146 points 13 hours ago
LeBron be like: nah bro ill contend for the GOAT status instead as the only other person who’s truly compared to MJ
湖人球迷：詹姆斯应该是这样：不，兄弟，我要争的是历史最佳，而不是成为唯一一个能够与乔丹相提并论的人
[–]djzerotonin 134 points 13 hours ago
My 27 year old ass is to nervous to ask for extra ketchup at a restaurant
球迷：我27岁了，在餐厅问服务员多要一包番茄酱，都感到紧张
[–]Bullsdrunz 1672 points 14 hours ago
God help him man. He had to play in the era of social media as well with ridiculously high expectations. I’m surprised there wasn’t more “scandals” about Lebron. I’m glad most of his controversies are simply about him being the LeGM.
公牛球迷：天可怜见，他可是处在社交媒体的时代，人们对他的期待又高得离谱，可詹姆斯却鲜有“丑闻”，这真的让我感到惊讶。我很开心关于他的争议基本上都集中在“总经理詹姆斯”方面。
[–]ThunderSandyMandy17 1851 points 14 hours ago
His biggest controversy is that he’s corny
雷霆球迷：他最大的争议是过时老土、不酷装酷
[–]PistonsVHSUNKNOWN 675 points 14 hours ago
LeBron got the same energy as my 50 year old mother
活塞球迷：詹姆斯的精气神像极了我50岁的妈妈
[–]imhavingSoMuchFun3 217 points 14 hours ago
and honestly i love it he seems genuine
球迷：实话实说，我倒挺喜欢这种土范儿，这让他看起来真实
[–]Pistonswolverine1819 171 points 16 hours ago
I mean he is corny but that’s really not a bad thing. He seems to be a guy who enjoys being goofy at times which is fine
活塞球迷：我觉得他土是土了点，但也不是啥坏事。他似乎就是一个时不时冒冒傻气还乐在其中的家伙，挺好的
[–]NBAivabra 381 points 14 hours ago
He is pretty corny on social media right now but maybe that's how he deals with pressure he posts whatever he wants
球迷：现在社交媒体上的他确实表现得相当老土，但这可能就是他应对压力的方式——老子想发什么就发什么
[–]LakersFlawlessEthan 103 points 16 hours ago
The world been watching his every move for like 22 years now lol
湖人球迷：他的一举一动，总能引发关注，就和22年前一样
[–]Huhuagau 256 points 15 hours ago
Still would love to see MJ having to deal with 24/7 international social media
球迷：一直想看看如果乔丹必须全天候应对国际社交媒体，会是什么样子
[–]WizardsShabasileus 261 points 15 hours ago
MJ admitted that he wouldn’t be able to handle the twitter era. The media really got to his head early in his career.
奇才球迷：乔丹承认他在推特的时代里根本玩不转。职业生涯早期，他就被媒体搞得焦头烂额
[–]Bucksmkebrewers27 1066 points 15 hours ago
LeBron James is 0-75 in the finals
1946-1983: Too lazy to even be born
1984-2003: Too lazy to even show up
2003-2005: Missed playoffs
2006-2011: Lost
2012: Baby Thunder
2013: Ray Allen
2014/2015: Lost
2016: Injured Warriors
2017/2018: Lost
2019: Missed playoffs
2020: Mickey Mouse Summer League Ring
2021: Lost in the First Round
雄鹿球迷：NBA 75年，勒布朗-詹姆斯的总决赛战绩：0胜75负
1946-1983：太懒，出生不赶趟
1984-2003：太懒，死活不露面
2003-2005：没进季后赛
2006-2011：输
2012：雷霆太嫩
2013：雷-阿伦腿粗
2014/2015：输
2016：勇士受伤
2017/2018：输
2019：没进季后赛
2020：米老鼠杯夏季联赛戒指
2021：一轮游
[–][MIA] LeBron Jamesdantew 383 points 14 hours ago
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old so he’s actually 0-4.5 billion in the Finals.
热火球迷：地球45亿年，所以詹姆斯实际上在总决赛的表现是0胜45亿负。
[–]GaiusJuliusMe 69 points 15 hours ago
Hes beat too many teams over so many years they cant help but be salty
球迷：这么多年来，他打败了太多球队，总有人忍不住要毒舌一下
[–]NetsAgentDutch 3340 points 15 hours ago2
LeBron is basically the ultimate Jack-Of-All-Trades player in NBA history capable of doing pretty much everything at an excellent level. His greatest ability is his transcendent mind of the game which lets him maximize all of his other abilities. He's shown that photographic memory plenty of times with memorizing other team's plays anticipating calls or drives etc;
And he's so good that even near his 40's people are looking for any cracks in the armor they can pounce on to undersell his entire career. He's single-handedly crushed so many other teams' title aspirations whether or not he won the title that year. I think he truly started becoming the best player in the league after his 2011 loss where he wet the bed.
After that he was pretty much always clutch and kicked it into a higher gear. It's hard for me to understand why so many people are eager to call him overrated or diminish his championships especially older players that seem convinced he would just be another guy in their era. Easily the greatest player I've seen play in my lifetime.
篮网球迷：詹姆斯是NBA历史上最终极的多面手，他在场上几乎可以做任何事情，并且都能达到优秀的水平。他最强大之处在于无与伦比的球商，这让他能够将自身的所有其他能力发挥到极致。他已经很多次展现过自己过目不忘的能力，记住对手的战术、预判对手的应对等等。他是如此优秀，乃至于已年近40，人们还在鸡蛋里挑骨头，贬低他的职业生涯。他凭一己之力，粉碎了多少球队的冠军梦？不论那一年他最终是否夺冠。我认为在2011年与冠军失之交臂之后，詹姆斯才真正开始成为联盟最佳球员。自此之后，他总是能在关键时刻挺身而出，开足马力博取胜利。我很难理解为什么有这么多人热衷于说他被高估了，贬损他冠军的含金量，特别是有一些退役球员，似乎也认为如果詹姆斯处在他们的时代，就会是另一种局面。詹姆斯就是我的人生中见到过的最伟大的球员，没有之一！
[–]Warriorskaennis 1260 points 15 hours ago
I wouldn't classify him as a "Jack" since that implies he's a master of none. King-of-lots-of-trades would be more apt and on brand for him; most of which you've covered.
勇士球迷：我不想称他为“多面手”，因为这好像是暗示他杂而不精。“多面王者”可能更适合他，你已经阐述得挺全面了。
[–]BullsBlockOfTheYear 528 points 15 hours ago
I think thats kind of true though like he isn't the GOAT of one specific area of basketball but he is in the conversation for all of them and still GOAT tier overall. He is the best passer amongst elite scorers and the best scorer amongst elite passers but he is not considered the best at either one. Most versatile player of all time for sure.
公牛球迷：我觉得差不多就是这样，他似乎并不是某一个特定篮球领域的历史最佳，但不管在哪个领域，他都是历史最佳级别的存在。在优秀的得分手里，他的传球是最好的；在优秀的传球手里，他的得分是最多的，但他在这两个单项中却都不是最优秀的。NBA历史上最全能的球员，这一点毋庸置疑
[–]LakersWaltJay 655 points 15 hours ago
LeBron is basically a muscle bound Magic.
湖人球迷：詹姆斯就是肌肉发达版的魔术师约翰逊。
[–]76ersmagpi3 437 points 15 hours ago
People said it when he first came into the league: Magic Johnson skills with Karl Malone's body.
76人球迷：他刚进联盟的时候人们就说他有魔术师约翰逊的技巧和卡尔-马龙的身体。
[–]bexdox 205 points 14 hours ago
Personally I think he is the greatest athletic specimen of all time. 6 9 huge jump crazy strong never injured. It's between him and wilt but the mythology surrounding wilt seems a bit hyperbolic to me.
球迷：就我个人而言，他就是历史上最伟大的运动员样本。身高2米06，优秀的弹跳，惊人的强壮，还从未受过大伤。詹姆斯与张伯伦应该伯仲之间，但大帅的相关神话对我来说着实是有点太过耸人听闻
